#86: Tig Notaro is PLANTSTRONG
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Comedian, Actress, and Plant-Based Advocate, Tig Notaro
“Who would be on your wishlist to talk plants?” It was a question for the PLANTSTRONG Podcast team at the beginning of the season and today’s guest was right at the top of that list.
Tig Notaro is a comedian and actress known for her subtle but hilarious deadpan delivery in her TV shows, films, and stand-up. In fact, her new film, “Army of the Dead,” was released on May 21st and it is (at time of publication) the #1 film on Netflix.
What you may not know about Tig is her traumatic health story and subsequent journey to plants. In 2012, in the span of just a few weeks, Tig developed and almost succumbed to C-Diff, a potentially deadly infection. Just days later, her Mom died unexpectedly, her relationship ended, and she was diagnosed with breast cancer and went through treatment and a double mastectomy.
Part of Tig’s journey to recovery was actually getting back on stage to talk about it with vulnerability in her usual candor, but she also started researching how to best take care of herself and improve her health and the health of her family.
Guess where her research led her? You guessed it. PLANTS. In 2016, Tig, her now-wife Stephanie, and their two sons went all-in on plant-based nutrition and she has been a fierce advocate ever since. She had her Galileo moment and the changes have been profound.
Even during the pandemic this year, since she couldn’t be on the road, she took the course to become certified in plant-based nutrition and think that’s pretty darrn cool!
What Else Will You Learn from Today’s Conversation?
Some of Tig’s favorite plant-based meals
Why Tig finds watermelon a “snooze-fest”
Her favorite app to find the best vegan restaurants when she travels
Her conviction to this PlantStrong way-of-life and how she knows she’s not changing
Whether she views herself as competitive
How she makes one small habit-change each year to improve her health
How she has brought her family into the plant-based world, including her father-in-law
How she came to her new role in “Army of the Dead”
Family inspiration for her stand-up material
So, yes, Tig is famous for her stand-up, her podcasts, her TV shows, and movies, but we were fortunate enough to talk to Tig because she loves plants, so we hope you, too, will support her work and her PLANTSTRONG journey.
Mathilde "Tig" O'Callaghan Notaro (born March 24, 1971) s an American stand-up comic, writer, radio contributor, and actress. Her acclaimed album Live was nominated in 2014 for the Grammy Award for Best Comedy Album at the 56th Annual Grammy Awards. The special Tig Notaro: Boyish Girl Interrupted was nominated in 2016 at the 68th Primetime Emmy Awards for Outstanding Writing for a Variety Special. In 2017, the album Boyish Girl Interrupted was nominated for the Grammy Award for Best Comedy Album at the 59th Annual Grammy Awards. (from Wikipedia)
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Full Transcript
Tig Notaro:
And somebody was just asking me recently if was it hard to stay on my plant-based diet during the pandemic? And I said, it was... It's like asking me if I was out at sea with just a bunch of men, because there wasn't a woman there, would I fall for a man? It's like, no. It's not... I have... It's too in me. I know myself too well. I know what I like, I know what I am going to be doing.
Rip Esselstyn:
Season three of the Plant-Strong Podcast explores those Galileo moments where you seek to understand the real truth around your health, and dare to see the world through a different lens. This season, we honor those courageous seekers who are paving the way for you and me. So, grab your telescope point it towards your future, and let's get plant-strong together. Welcome to the Plant-Strong Podcast. I hope you're all doing fantastically well. I'm Rip Esselstyn, and at the start of season three, I huddle with my team to brainstorm potential guests that we could have on the podcast. And I wanted to know who would be on your wish list of people that talk plants. Well, today's guest was right at the very top of this list. Her name is Tig Notaro, she's a comedian and actress known for her very subtle, yet hilarious deadpan delivery in her TV shows, films, podcasts stand up, and on this podcast.
Rip Esselstyn:
In fact, her new film called Army of The Dead, that we discussed in the interview, was just released on Netflix last week, and it is a must see of a blockbuster film. But what you may not know about Tig, is her traumatic health story and her subsequent journey to plants. It was in 2012, as you're going to hear her recount today. And in the span of just a few weeks, Tig developed and actually almost succumbed to C. diff, which is a potentially deadly infection that I'll explain in a little more detail. And then just days later, her mom died unexpectedly after hitting her head after a fall, her relationship ended with her partner. And if that isn't enough, shortly thereafter that, she was diagnosed with breast cancer and went through treatment and surgery. I mean, soak all that in for just a second. I'm not sure how you even begin to process all that in such a truncated amount of time.
Rip Esselstyn:
But part of Tig's journey to recovery was actually getting back on that stage almost immediately to talk about it with vulnerability in her usual candor, but she also started researching how to best take care of herself and improve not just her health, but also the health of her family. And guess where her research led her. You guessed it, plants. Being plant-strong. And in 2016 Tig and her now wife Stephanie, and their two sons went all in on plant-based nutrition. And she has been a fierce advocate ever since. She had her Galileo moment, and the changes have been profound. Even during the pandemic last year, since she couldn't be on the road, she was so moved and inspired by all things plants that she took a nutritional course to become certified in plant-based nutrition. I think that's pretty darn cool.
Rip Esselstyn:
So, yes, Tig is famous for her stand up, her podcasts, her TV shows and movies. But we were fortunate enough to talk to Tig, because you know what? She loves plants. Tig digs plants. So we hope you too, will support her work and her plant-strong journey. Welcome Tig Notaro.
Rip Esselstyn:
Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Plant-Strong Podcast. I have a super, special guest today, Tig Notaro, who I'm sure many of you have heard of. And this is very refreshing for me, Tig, because normally on the podcast, this is my third year with the podcast.
Tig Notaro:
Okay,
Rip Esselstyn:
Normally we have doctors that have reversed heart disease, right?
Tig Notaro:
Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
Or we have scientists and PhDs that are talking about the microbiome and reversing type two diabetes, or we have biochemists to talk about how you can turn off and turn on certain cancers depending upon the protein that you're eating. Or we have physicians talking about preventing Alzheimer's, or world class athletes talking about what plant-based can do for performance and recovery. And so, it's really nice to have a comedian on the podcast. Because believe it or not Tig, the only other comedian that I've had on the podcast, was this kind of little known hack, he was on the Comedy Central channel for about 20, 25 years. He had The Daily Show, Jon Stewart, maybe, maybe not you haven't heard of him.
Tig Notaro:
Sure. Vaguely familiar. Is he plant-based?
Rip Esselstyn:
Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
Tig Notaro:
Okay. I didn't know that.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah, yeah. Tracy, his wife came to one of our... So, since 2000 and about 10, I've been throwing these seven day, medical immersion programs, where people come and they really learn about the lifestyle, the nuts and bolts of it. And Tracy Stewart, Jon's wife came to one and I think 2018 and afterwards, she went back to Jon and told him everything that she knew and he jumped in. But before that, I think he was vegetarian.
Tig Notaro:
Okay. When did he become plant-based?
Rip Esselstyn:
2019.
Tig Notaro:
Oh, okay. All right.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. Yeah.
Tig Notaro:
So, fairly recent.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah, fairly recently. And he actually... He came to the... We had one of the premieres of... Have you seen the documentary, The Game Changers?
Tig Notaro:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. So, he came to the premiere of that in New York City, and that's when I first met him and-
Tig Notaro:
I think I was at some sort of premiere in LA for that.
Rip Esselstyn:
Okay. Yeah.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yep. Yep, there was one in LA as well.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah, I was at that.
Rip Esselstyn:
Excellent. Fantastic. Love it. So, I want to talk about a multitude of things with you now that I got you, right?
Tig Notaro:
Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
This is so-
Tig Notaro:
Look, the feeling is mutual.
Rip Esselstyn:
Well, good. Good, good, good. So, I'm trying to think where to start. So, I think what I would love is... So the other night, I watched the documentary Tig, which I had not seen, saw it for the first time. And for people that haven't seen Tig, that don't know, your story, I think it's a nice... You got a heck of a moment in 2012, that really might help people that don't know your story. If you could paint that picture, I think that might be a great place to start.
Tig Notaro:
Sure. In a four month period of time, I had the intestinal disease... Well, first I had pneumonia and then I had the intestinal disease called C. Diff, and then-
Rip Esselstyn:
Can you tell people that don't know, what is C. diff?
Tig Notaro:
C. Diff, my understanding is... I mean, C. diff is a bacteria that is in most people's guts, and it is completely fine when it's interacting with other bacteria in your gut. But when the other bacteria is cleared out of your system and C. diff is left alone to thrive, it'll just eat your insides and you can contract C. diff from taking antibiotics. And antibiotics can clear out all of the other bacteria or... Yeah. Is that your understanding?
Rip Esselstyn:
Tig is actually spot on with our understanding of C. diff. In fact, after this interview, because I wanted to be 100% sure, I was giving you accurate information, I reached out to gut health specialist and author, Dr. Alan Desmond, who's going to be on the podcast in just a few weeks to get his thoughts on C. diff. And he described just how serious and potentially fatal this can be. In fact, he said, "C. Diff, is a type of bacteria that can live in your gut microbiome. And about one in 20 people carry C, diff in their large bowel, and it generally doesn't cause any problems. However, if the gut microbiome's normal balance is severely disrupted, for example, by certain antibiotics, a critical illness, or if a person's immune system is compromised, harmful forms of C. diff can flourish and produce toxins that can cause the large bowel to become inflamed. And sadly, in very severe cases, this illness can be fatal."
Rip Esselstyn:
So, Tig knows just how fortunate she was. Do you know how you got it? Do you have any idea?
Tig Notaro:
I think it was from antibiotics. From having a pneumonia. Yeah. So, when I was sick... And it can potentially be deadly. It's a very scary, scary disease to have. It's hard to get ahold of it when it gets really intense and serious, which it did in my case. And then, right when I got out of the hospital, I think it was 10 days later, my mother tripped a couple of days later, she tripped and fell, hit her head and died. And then my girlfriend and I split up shortly after my mother's funeral. And then I was diagnosed with invasive breast cancer. And that was all in four months.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. And was that invasive breast cancer, was that in both breasts, one breast?
Tig Notaro:
Both. Both. I ended up having a double mastectomy. And at the time, it had been suggested a time or two by people to not have a double mastectomy and to maybe try and do veganism or raw food, I was not vegan at the time. And I don't know how I would respond now, but it is the option that I went with. Was the double mastectomy.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. Well, it's... My father, who spent almost 40 years at the Cleveland Clinic, he was a general surgeon and his specialty was the thyroid, the parathyroid, and the breast cancer.
Tig Notaro:
Uh-huh (affirmative).
Rip Esselstyn:
So, I've heard a lot about that. And in fact, God, just about a couple months ago, I had a woman named Kristi Funk. I don't know if you've heard of Kristi at all?
Tig Notaro:
No.
Rip Esselstyn:
She wrote a book called Breasts: the Owner's Manual. And she is a breast surgeon. She's out in LA. And she actually worked with Sheryl Crow with her breast cancer and Angelina Jolie with her breast cancer. And she really discovered plant-based nutrition in about 2017, and is now just fiercely, fiercely supportive of it.
Tig Notaro:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah. It's hard not to be once you get a certain amount of information.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah, yeah. So, talking about getting that information, so you grew up in Mississippi and Texas, right?
Tig Notaro:
Yes. Yeah. We spent a couple of years in New Jersey, but mainly Texas and Mississippi, that's where I connect to and where I spent most of my time and family and friends are.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. And did you have a... Did you guys just eat anything under the sun? How-
Tig Notaro:
Yeah, pretty much. In Mississippi, my town is an hour outside of New Orleans. And so there was a lot of... Anywhere from Cajun food to Texas barbecue to Cheetos. You know?
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah.
Tig Notaro:
All of that. Snickers bars.
Rip Esselstyn:
Exactly. So, this season of the Plant-Strong Podcast, is one I'm really asking the people that I'm talking with, when and how they had their Galileo moment. When you kind of look through the telescope and you kind of saw the truth when it came to nutrition, and it hit you so hard that it informed kind of the path that you chose? When did that happen?
Tig Notaro:
Well, after all of the events that we just talked about, they happen in 2012. And because I'm a public figure, there was a lot of news around me being ill and it was an exciting moment that I could resurface and tell everybody that I'm doing well, and I'm alive and I made it through all of that. And then the reality is that I was still struggling with a lot of issues with my stomach, and I had a lot of just physical pain and it just didn't seem to go away. And it wasn't really a fun triumphant part of my story. So, I just kind of kept it to myself for the most part, and unloaded that information pretty consistently on to my wife. Every day, I feel like I would turn to her and be like, "Oh, my gosh, I'm in so much pain. Oh, my gosh, my stomach hurts. And oh, my gosh... Just my back." I just was struggling. And-
Rip Esselstyn:
Not a good way to be.
Tig Notaro:
No, no. It was... I really didn't know what to do. And we had just had twins, and they were in the 99th percentile, they we're just gigantic children. And so I'm like, "What in the hell am I going to do? I'm in pain, I have these large children that are obviously going to need to be picked up." And I want to pick them up, but I was just like, "I really don't know what to do." And I went on tour to do stand up. And this one particular time it was about to be my kids first birthday, and I just thought, I have got to do something for the sake of my children, and not just for me to feel better, but for me to be a present and capable parent. I just don't want to be complaining or in pain, I don't want that in their life. And so, I was on the road for two weeks.
Tig Notaro:
And when I left Los Angeles, I thought, I'm going to be removed from my day-to-day, I'm going to take this time to really research and read, watch documentaries, and just talk to people and inform myself to the best of my ability. Because I keep hearing that plant-based food can heal so many medical issues and aches and pains. And so why would I not at least educate myself and maybe try it. So, that's what I did. After every show, I'd go back to my hotel room and I'd watch documentaries, I'd read, I'd talk to my friend who was opening for me, happened to know so much about health and plant-based food. And so, I was pretty sold that it was something that I needed to try. And so I tried and as the days went on, it just became clear and clear that that shift in my life was alleviating so much pain and discomfort in so many ways.
Rip Esselstyn:
So, you dove in. What year was this?
Tig Notaro:
This was only in 2016.
Rip Esselstyn:
Okay.
Tig Notaro:
And since that change that I made, I've decided to every year on my son's birthday, to make a change in my life that will improve me in a way to be hopefully a better parent and a better... To be more available and capable. And it's usually around health.
Rip Esselstyn:
So, plant-based was one, and do you refer to your... How do you refer to yourself when it comes to eating? Do you say that you're vegan, plant-based?
Tig Notaro:
I go back and forth. I go back and forth.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah. I have not... I would say I eat probably 75% whole food plant-based.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yep.
Tig Notaro:
But I'm not to that 100% mark and I would love to be. But I'm fully, fully vegan. My kids are vegan, my wife is vegan.
Rip Esselstyn:
They're on board. I love it.
Tig Notaro:
Oh, yeah. My sons are four years old. They'll be five in June, but when we go out to eat, or we go to anyone's house, and there's any food that comes by, they're both very hardcore. They're like, "Is that vegan?" It's really something.
Rip Esselstyn:
It is, it is. I know. I've got... Believe it or not, I'm older than you and I've got some young kids as well. I've got a seven year old, I've got a 12 year old and a 14 year old, and they wear it with so much pride. It is so fantastic to see.
Tig Notaro:
I feel like kids are really coming to it now. And I think that even just a year or two ago, it wasn't as accepted with younger kids, whereas now people are telling me all the time that their kids are coming home and wanting to save the planet and wanting to eat plant-based and I'm like, "Oh my gosh, my kids have been... they've been on this." They became vegan when they were one, when our whole family became vegan. But yeah, they're hardcore.
Rip Esselstyn:
Tig, the plants-strong era is afoot. Really, it is here-
Tig Notaro:
Exiting.
Rip Esselstyn:
... and it is now. So, I'd love to hear. So you said that every year around their birthday, you kind of do something to improve yourself health wise?
Tig Notaro:
Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
Can you tell me about some of the other things you've done?
Tig Notaro:
Well, and to be fair, it's only a few years. Right? They're only four, and I started when they were one.
Rip Esselstyn:
But plant-based is a big thing. And I'm wondering if you got other big things.
Tig Notaro:
Well, they're not that huge, it's just that... I guess everybody uses New Year's Eve as their time to make a shift. And I try to not do too many things at once to change my behaviors, I try to just really focus on the one thing that I'm trying to incorporate. And that's really all I've done. And when they turned two, I made a point to start walking every day. And it's such a basic, basic thing to incorporate, but it's so crucial.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah.
Tig Notaro:
And-
Rip Esselstyn:
But let me ask you this.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
So before that, were you not moving regularly? Did you have an exercise program at all or not really?
Tig Notaro:
No, I didn't have it. I used to exercise, I used to do long distance cycling. When I was a kid, I played soccer, but I also started smoking when I was a teenager. And then when I was a young adult, I started getting really into cycling and I abandoned soccer I think when I picked up cigarettes, but I quit when I was 25. And I'm 50 now and I remember I told myself that I don't want to be 50 wishing I had quit smoking when I was 25. And so I quit when I was 25 and it feels pretty-
Rip Esselstyn:
Can you remember? So, when you were 25 and you quit, was that hard to quit, or was it-
Tig Notaro:
It was brutal. It was so brutal. And it's interesting because I have told people my whole life that when I'm asked if I have regrets anywhere in my life, and I always think, well, obviously things haven't gone in certain ways that I wanted all the time, but I don't feel like I have regrets. Everything that's happened has led me to where I am and all that kind of stuff, but over the pandemic, I did realize, "You know what? I regret smoking." That is the one thing in my life that I wish I never inhaled a single cigarette. But yeah, it was brutal. And what I did to stop, was I went and bought... This might sound like it makes no sense at first. But I went and bought those cigars, Swisher Sweets cigars and I just stayed home for like a month and didn't socialize much and I inhaled Swisher Sweets till I made myself sick. And I never wanted to inhale any type of smoke into my body ever again. And I'm the epitome of the reformed smoker.
Rip Esselstyn:
You sound. So, would you call yourself an intense, competitive person?
Tig Notaro:
I don't know if I'm intense... I know I'm intense in ways, but I'm not... I did one of those long distance bicycle rides, where you raise money for a cause. And that was I think, the moment when I realized I wasn't really competitive because there's hundreds of people, and I was riding my bike without holding on to the handlebars, and I was just kicking back and just riding my bike. You know what I mean?
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. But that's not what I mean by competitive though.
Tig Notaro:
Okay. What do you mean?
Rip Esselstyn:
I'm not talking about sports.
Tig Notaro:
Okay.
Rip Esselstyn:
I'm talking about in the game of life.
Tig Notaro:
Oh, then sure. Yeah, yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. There's an intensity and a competitiveness that just in researching for this interview, I've seen some things that I'm like, "Wow, I like what I see." And this person has got a serious fire in her. She doesn't get-
Tig Notaro:
What would fall under competitive?
Rip Esselstyn:
What's that and what it does? Yeah.
Tig Notaro:
Well, I'm saying, "What did you come across that you feel is competitive?"
Rip Esselstyn:
Oh. Well... So, I've been an athlete my whole life. And when I saw you in Tig, right? For one, getting up on stage after you've been diagnosed with cancer, it was shortly thereafter.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
That to me, is a certain amount of intensity and competitiveness and drive. Most people I think, would... They'd be lying in bed crying and-
Tig Notaro:
There's a lot of that too. But, yeah. Trust me.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. But you got yourself up. And then six months later, when you were pacing backstage getting ready to go out there, I knew that feeling because I felt it so many times when I'm getting ready to compete or do something big or put on big event. And there's something inside of you that's like, "I've got to do this because something's speaking to me inside. And if I don't do it, that I will regret." Right?
Tig Notaro:
Yes.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. Yeah.
Tig Notaro:
I feel like, when I was younger, I took so many risks that were potentially life threatening risks, whereas I feel like that part of me, that risk taker part of me, shifted in a positive direction where I take life changing risks, rather than life threatening risks.
Rip Esselstyn:
Right.
Tig Notaro:
And-
Rip Esselstyn:
You-
Tig Notaro:
Go ahead.
Rip Esselstyn:
No, you go ahead.
Tig Notaro:
Oh, I just haven't ever regretted one. Whereas, there's so much, just horror when I look back on the risks that I took as a kid-
Rip Esselstyn:
Can you give me an example of one?
Tig Notaro:
From my childhood?
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah, something that was life threatening that you were like, "Oh, my God, I can't believe I'm alive today."
Tig Notaro:
Oh, my God, where to begin? There is one that, on my podcast I told the story and then I realized after I told the story, I didn't want any kid hearing that story and getting any idea. And so what I did was I told the story on my podcast, and then I bleeped out the minute that I told the story, and then people to this day are like, "What the hell are you saying there?" And I'm like, "I will never tell you." So, that's only because I truly... I would tell you, but you would have to promise me you wouldn't air it, because I really wouldn't want any kid to do anything like what I did.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah, if you want to tell me, we'll bleep it out.
Tig Notaro:
Yes. My friend and I (beep). It's so stupid. But we thought it was hilarious. Hilarious. And that's why I would never want that out there for anyone to hear.
Rip Esselstyn:
Wow!
Tig Notaro:
So... Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
No.
Tig Notaro:
Not cool.
Rip Esselstyn:
You don't want Mav and Flynn hearing about that.
Tig Notaro:
Max.
Rip Esselstyn:
Max, thank you.
Tig Notaro:
Max and Finn. Or Mav and Flynn, maybe I'll rename them. Exactly.
Rip Esselstyn:
Okay.
Tig Notaro:
So, yeah. I just... I feel like I shifted my life threatening bold moves to life changing bold moves.
Rip Esselstyn:
And just being a stand up comedian, in and of itself is a bold move.
Tig Notaro:
Well people always say that, but if it's in your blood, it's in your heart and soul, it's not bold. I don't think.
Rip Esselstyn:
Wow!
Tig Notaro:
It's just a part of what is natural to you.
Rip Esselstyn:
Okay. Well, let me ask you this. So, if that's not bold, what about you going up on stage topless after your double mastectomy? That's pretty bold in it.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah, that was bold. It was bold, but also, it really made me laugh to think of going on stage to expose the scars of my double mastectomy, and not talk about the scars or my double mastectomy, I wanted to go on stage and just do regular run of the mill comedy, while I exposed my scars. And I thought that it would be potentially empowering for myself and anybody else watching it. But I also thought that it was a way to do it and be funny about it by acting like I didn't even know what they were reacting to.
Rip Esselstyn:
And how did it turn out?
Tig Notaro:
It went really well. I have to say, when I was doing it, I was doing it for myself and other cancer survivors. And it didn't even dawn on me until men that had never had cancer, and people that didn't have any story similar to mine were coming up and saying, "Take away the fact that you're female or had a double mastectomy or cancer, any of that the scars all of it. It really was just..." This is what I heard from other people. That it was inspiring to see somebody embrace their body and to have that body positivity. And that, I was so touched to hear that from different people. And like I said, men, women, everyone.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. Do you have... Are there three or four shows that... How many times have you gotten up on stage and done stand up? Would you say 1000?
Tig Notaro:
Oh, my God! Way more than that.
Rip Esselstyn:
Seriously? Wow!
Tig Notaro:
Oh my God! I've been doing this since I was maybe 26 and I'm 50. And I probably get on stage unless there's a pandemic, I probably get on stage, I'd say 150 times-
Rip Esselstyn:
A year?
Tig Notaro:
... a year.
Rip Esselstyn:
Wow! Okay. I'll remember what I want to ask you. But first, so what did you do during the pandemic? Were you freaking out that you weren't able to get up on stage because it sounds like that's part of who you are?
Tig Notaro:
It is part of who I am, but it was actually, oddly a nice-
Rip Esselstyn:
Reprieve?
Tig Notaro:
Yeah. I didn't expect that. And I think it's just also being so used to going all the time and traveling and getting on a flight and driving to a city and driving to a college and flying to the next town and getting up early and going to bed late and all this stuff that I kind of didn't have a chance to connect with. I probably needed a break. And so being home with Stephanie and what? Mav and Flynn, is that what their names? But yeah, it's nice, I think to step away and then return. It feels like when you go to sleep at night, and then you wake up refreshed and you're ready to start again. Is how it feels.
Rip Esselstyn:
What a great gift, I would imagine for your kids and Stephanie to be home for a while and-
Tig Notaro:
On some days yes, some days no.
Rip Esselstyn:
Sure, we all can identify with that.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. We'll be right back with Tig in a sec. But first, I have three updates to share with you. First, when we announced the return of our in-person retreat this year, we were bowled over by the response that we got from all of you. Suffice it to say that our team is more than ready to get back together. But we weren't sure if you guys were ready. Well, you absolutely were so much so that we filled up our Sedona experience super quickly, and we have a long wait list of folks that are interested in attending another Plant-Strong retreat. So, we call our friends in Black Mountain, North Carolina, just outside Asheville. And we found a week in late September from the 25th, to the 30th to be precise, when we could bring the band back together and invite more people from around the globe to come together for an incredible week of learning, fellowship, and a whole lot of laughs.
Rip Esselstyn:
Our schedule, as you can imagine, is jam packed with daily workouts, cooking demos, small group discussions, talks by my father, Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn Jr, my mother, Ann Crile Esselstyn, the one and only Dr. Michael Clapper, my sister Jane Esselstyn, cardiologist and lifestyle medicine physician, Dr. Brian Aspell, and many more. So, for all the details, click on the link in the show notes, or visit Planstrong.com, and then select the Black Mountain retreat. I really, really hope to see you on the mountainside. Second, our first of the new Plant-Strong products, are on our truck, heading to our fulfillment center in Plano, Texas right this second. I cannot wait to unveil this first phase of delicious new foods for you guys. If you'd like to have early access, visit plantstrongfoods.com and enter your email to be on the list.
Rip Esselstyn:
Finally, I know that food is front and center for most of my listeners, it is for me as well, and whether I'm dishing on the latest food trends that show how the tides are turning, or how we're discovering new products that are packed with nutritional integrity, we all love and connect over food. To that end, we are launching a new mini podcast called Plan-Strong Snackables, it will run twice a month, and we'll give you bite size nuggets, tasty meal ideas and foods to get super jazzed over. Watch your inbox, I'll let you know when it's ready. Now, let's dive back in and talk with Tig.
Rip Esselstyn:
So you've done let's just say 150 plus shows a year on average since you were 26 years old, so 3,336 shows. I'm making that up. So-
Tig Notaro:
It's like that's impressive.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah, yeah. Are three or four that stand out to you as like, "Oh my gosh, that was one of my all time best performances." Like a no hitter in baseball.
Tig Notaro:
Oddly enough, one of my best sets ever, I had.... It's funny that we're talking about health and everything. But I had one of my best sets in my career in 2015 and I collapsed after the performance and was rushed to the hospital. I had... The medication that I was on after my diagnosis was causing a lot of cysts. And so I had a cyst burst the second I walked off stage and I was bleeding internally, just profuse. The doctor said it was like three pitchers full of blood, just... I was having trouble breathing, and it was so crazy to have this feeling on stage of like, it's so hard to have those kind of shows because not where you're obviously bleeding at the end. That's hard too, I'm sure. But it's hard to have everything lined up when you're on... I found for it to be just, "Yes, that was the show." And that happened in Philly in 2015. And I stepped off stage and went down. So, that one. I would have to say that taking my shirt off for my HBO special, that felt-
Rip Esselstyn:
What about that... Yeah. What about that first... The one that was in Tig, where you basically came out and said, "I've got cancer."
Tig Notaro:
That one's the most well known. It's certainly close to my heart and soul because of what I was going through at the time and the way that people responded and took care of me near and far strangers and loved ones and... But I wouldn't say when I went on stage, I thought, "Oh, this is the set of a lifetime." It was more of on a wire kind of trying to keep my balance, as I try to make light of my diagnosis that I got days ago, and the loss of my mother and my breakup and my inability to eat. I was walking around with my finger in my belt loop just to keep my pants up. I was really, really struggling. I couldn't eat.
Rip Esselstyn:
Wow! Do you get nervous still, when you go up on stage? Is that something you experience any longer?
Tig Notaro:
I don't really... I didn't. It'll be interesting because I haven't done stand up now in a year and two or three months. And so maybe I'll get nervous, but I did in early days. And then it started just to become like... And not in a bad way, but it started to become like you go in into the office. And I really don't mean that in a boring way, but you don't... It's like having nerves on your first day of work or getting to know your job and then you still love your job and it's still exciting, but you're not nervous walking in the door. It's... I would say before the pandemic, I don't think I would have been nervous walking into a sold out football stadium of people. It would just be like, "Oh, this will be interesting." It's not my... First of all, I've never done a sold out football stadium and I have no interest in doing a sold out football stadium. Like a tiny club up to like 3000 seats, but it's just more people, that doesn't make me nervous.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah, yeah. Do you find that you have a certain outfit that you like to wear when you're... Because just from what I've seen, you seem like kind of sneakers, jeans and then a really relaxed shirt.
Tig Notaro:
Sure. Yeah. When I'm on stage, it's probably what you said, comfortable shoes, jeans, comfortable pants. Yeah, I want to be comfortable.
Rip Esselstyn:
Right, right.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
I just like the way you dress. I'm like, "Oh, I like the way she dresses."
Tig Notaro:
Oh, thanks.
Rip Esselstyn:
Like, "I dress like that." Yeah.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah. I do find there's a lot of men where I'm like, "Oh, we could probably share closets if we were the same size."
Rip Esselstyn:
So, can we get back to plant-based for a sec?
Tig Notaro:
I would love to.
Rip Esselstyn:
Okay, let's do it. So, 2016 you kind of got the memo, got into it. Did you find it difficult, or hard? Difficult or easy to embrace this? Or did you have enough information and enough excitement that you just were like in for it?
Tig Notaro:
Yeah. As soon as I had the information that I had gotten, I was so thoroughly grossed out. And somebody was just asking me recently if, was it hard to stay on my plant-based diet during the pandemic? And I said, "It's like asking me if I was out at sea with just a bunch of men, because there wasn't a woman there, would I fall for a man?" That's like, no... I have. It's too in me. I know myself too well. I know what I like, I know what I'm going to be doing and. And so, the pandemic.... It's also like the pandemic didn't make it hard to find fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds. It didn't make it harder for me to find that stuff.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. Do you have a particular love affair with any plant-based foods that you like more than others?
Tig Notaro:
Hmm. Oh my gosh, it's so unfair.
Rip Esselstyn:
Well-
Tig Notaro:
It's so unfair.
Rip Esselstyn:
That's okay. I'd love to hear it.
Tig Notaro:
I love anywhere from just a... I just had this bowl that had quinoa and brown rice and avocado and sweet potatoes and arugula, just so delicious.
Rip Esselstyn:
That's what's unfair, is just so [crosstalk 00:46:06]-
Tig Notaro:
There's so... Yeah. Yeah. And before I was plant-based, I liked food, I just didn't have that part of my personality where I was like, "Oh, what am I going to eat next?" Or, "Oh, we got to go find the great restaurant in town." None of that. I was like, "Yeah, let's find someplace to eat." When I became plant-based. Now, when I go on tour, my favorite thing is to land and look up on HappyCow, where the best restaurant is for plant-based food and go spend my time and hit as many of those restaurants in each town.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. Do you... So you're in Toronto right now, I think you said filming for the next Star Trek?
Tig Notaro:
Yeah, for the new season. I have a role on the Star Trek Discovery series.
Rip Esselstyn:
Is that... I'm sorry. I'm kind of a little bit ignorant with that. Is that with Chris Pine?
Tig Notaro:
No. No, no. That's the movie.
Rip Esselstyn:
Okay.
Tig Notaro:
This is one of the TV series. Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
Gotcha. Gotcha.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
Okay. All right. I'm with you. So, have you Use HappyCow since you've been there? And if you had some good results?
Tig Notaro:
Well, I come to Toronto regularly for Star Trek, there's a restaurant in town called Planta. I don't know if you're familiar with Planta.
Rip Esselstyn:
I'm not.
Tig Notaro:
But you have got to eat at Planta. And then Planta also has, I believe it's a Japanese or sushi plant-based, sister restaurant that they opened a couple of years ago, that is... I mean...
Rip Esselstyn:
Lights out.
Tig Notaro:
Oh, my gosh! Just as delicious as Planta.
Rip Esselstyn:
Now, do you eat their two meals a day, or do you have your-
Tig Notaro:
Well I'm quarantined right now. And so the hotel where I'm staying has given me a personalized menu since I'm going to be in the hotel for so long. So-
Rip Esselstyn:
Nice.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah. It's really, really incredible.
Rip Esselstyn:
What did you have for breakfast today?
Tig Notaro:
Oatmeal with a fresh fruit plate and raisins that I mixed into the oats. Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
That's the best breakfast ever. So, simple-
Tig Notaro:
It's so good.
Rip Esselstyn:
... so healthy, so satisfying.
Tig Notaro:
It's so good. In fact, I go to bed so excited to wake up and eat that in the morning. And once I finished eating it, I'm so sad that I've finished eating it.
Rip Esselstyn:
I know. That's why I have to have another bowl later in the day.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. Any plant-based foods that you really don't like? If you were on that boat with those men, and this particular eggplant or squash, you wouldn't even eat it?
Tig Notaro:
Well, I love eggplant.
Rip Esselstyn:
Okay.
Tig Notaro:
And I like squash. I would say... And I know this is so... It's going to really upset a lot of people.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah.
Tig Notaro:
I don't hate this, but I feel so definitely neutral about watermelon.
Rip Esselstyn:
Uh-huh(affirmative). Let me tell you what you can do to turn up the volume on that.
Tig Notaro:
Okay.
Rip Esselstyn:
You take a lime or lemon wedge, you squeeze it on top of it and all of a sudden, it lights that thing on fire.
Tig Notaro:
Okay. I used to have it with salt as a kid. But I think the... What is it? The yellow watermelon, I like more than red watermelon. But red watermelon, snooze fest if you ask me
Rip Esselstyn:
You got to get the right one. It's got to be really hard and they make seedless ones now that are just incredible.
Tig Notaro:
Listen, I've heard this a million times, I've got all of those, snooze fest. But I'm going to do what you say, and I'm going to squeeze some lemon on there.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah.
Tig Notaro:
I'll let you know how it goes.
Rip Esselstyn:
Good. What about... Do you snack during the day on anything in particular?
Tig Notaro:
Well, I see the How Not to Die book behind you, and I'd say, that diet is pretty much... That's the closest to a diet I follow, is the How Not to Die diet. And I would say my snacks would be just very run of the mill. I have an apple every day. I have blueberries every day, I have a handful of mixed nuts every day. I have a container in the pantry that has a mixture of sunflower seeds, watermelon seeds. I do love watermelon seeds.
Rip Esselstyn:
Okay. No, snooze fest there.
Tig Notaro:
No, I love watermelon seeds. So, yeah. I have a nice mixture of a handful of seeds that I eat. And then, like I had mentioned earlier, that I'm not 100% whole food plant-based, so I would say when I'm not eating something as healthy as apples or bananas, or blueberries or anything like that, my sons eat the... What is it? The Annie's Mac and Cheese.
Rip Esselstyn:
Sure, absolutely. Yeah.
Tig Notaro:
And I'll shovel-
Rip Esselstyn:
Have some leftovers.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah, I'll shovel some of that. And-
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. When that's around, it's sometimes hard not to eat some of the leftovers.
Tig Notaro:
Right. Yeah. So, that's basically what I've become, is the parent that shovels in some of the junk food over the sink.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah, yeah. That's not too bad. I, just so you know, today I'm... Do you know what this is? This is a sumo. Yeah. It's a sumo orange. You can see it's like a little-
Tig Notaro:
Uh-huh(affirmative).
Rip Esselstyn:
Anyway, these things are amazing. And then this is a champagne mango that I'm just in love with. And I usually have two or three of these a day that I snack on.
Tig Notaro:
Wow!
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah, yeah. I cut it in half, and then I just peel the meat off the skin and I eat it. It's so incredible.
Tig Notaro:
You know what? I found which I wasn't familiar with before the pandemic, is the golden Kiwis, which I had never had. I'd only had the green kiwis, which I liked, but they were too sour. In fact, while I'm talking about them, it's making my mouth water. But I realized I love... The golden kiwis are my absolute favorite.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. It's funny you say that, because I find the golden ones they're just for me, a snooze fest, the other ones are the ones that I really like.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah, not me, so...
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah, yeah. I would love to... Well, so as I was doing a little of my research, I put in Tig and what came up, the only thing that came up was this new role that you're having in Army of the Dead?
Tig Notaro:
Yes.
Rip Esselstyn:
Right?
Tig Notaro:
Yeah
Rip Esselstyn:
And this is something that's coming out on Netflix, May 21st, right around the corner.
Tig Notaro:
It actually just came out today in theaters.
Rip Esselstyn:
Oh, my gosh! Wow! How excited are you about this? And can you tell the audience a little bit about how you came to be in this role?
Tig Notaro:
Yeah. I came to be in this role in not the most positive way. I was replacing an actor who already filmed the movie, and he was being called out for harassment.
Rip Esselstyn:
Allegedly.
Tig Notaro:
Allegedly harassing women, under age women.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah.
Tig Notaro:
So they erased him from the movie, and they used the green screen to me to replace his part. So, it's an action heist, zombie film. It is the biggest budget... I've never done anything... The closest I've come is being on Star Trek where that's like an action drama, but I'm barely part of the action in Star Trek. So, this is a whole different world for me. But yeah, it's in theaters, May... Today, May 14th.
Rip Esselstyn:
The one you said today. Yeah, yeah. Well-
Tig Notaro:
And then on Netflix May 21st.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah, yeah. Well and Zack Snyder is the director who if anybody knows some of his movies, he's huge. And I watched a little clip, you were on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, just the other day and the buzz word is that, that you are sexy AF, which is awesome.
Tig Notaro:
Hilarious.
Rip Esselstyn:
And what's funny is all of a sudden, I connected all these dots because people were like, "How did Zack Snyder know that Tig was the perfect person to fill in for Chris D'Elia? And, oh my God, she's brilliant. She's amazing. The way she's smoking that..." Maybe that goes back to when you smoked, right? Back in your day.
Tig Notaro:
Well, it's funny because my character was supposed to smoke a cigarette and I couldn't bring myself to have my characters smoke a cigarette, so I asked if I could smoke a Swisher Sweet, which I wanted to tie it to my quitting.
Rip Esselstyn:
You did. Beautiful, beautiful. But there's this scene. Are you pouring gas on yourself?
Tig Notaro:
No, I'm pouring gas into my helicopter while I'm smoking my cigar. And when that picture came out, or that moment came out in the trailer, that's when people started texting me that I was trending on Twitter for being-
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah.
Tig Notaro:
... I guess it was #hottig. It was so hilarious to turn 50 and then be found hot or sexy. It's just so funny.
Rip Esselstyn:
Well, I love what you said on Jimmy Fallon when it's like, "Well, that'll help light a fire underneath Stephanie."
Tig Notaro:
Exactly. Actually, Stephanie was saying where has everybody been all these years?
Rip Esselstyn:
Right. She's known all along.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah, yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
Absolutely. But here's the thing where I connected all the dots and why I thought that Zack Snyder was so brilliant. And that is in the documentary Tig, occasionally, I think you went back to your cousins or relatives. I think it might have been Mississippi, or Houston.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
And one of your cousins was like, "Oh, yeah, you look like Tom Cruise in Top Gun."
Tig Notaro:
Yeah, yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
So, he knew way back then that you had this in you.
Tig Notaro:
Right. Yeah, for sure. People have told me for years that they thought I looked like Tom Cruise. And I've joked that I would get into action films. And I can't believe that I actually have gotten into one of the biggest action films.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah, yeah. Well, you must be so excited. Who would have thought, your career has taken so many twists and turns.
Tig Notaro:
It really has.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. And I love how creative it is. You did stand up, you wrote, you're an author. Right?
Tig Notaro:
Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
You've been in documentaries. You've done podcasts for years, right?
Tig Notaro:
Yeah. Right. Yes.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah.
Tig Notaro:
I have an advice podcast now. And I also have a podcast with Cheryl Hines, she's from Curb Your Enthusiasm. She and I do a weekly show called True Story, where we talk about a new documentary every week. And it just-
Rip Esselstyn:
Have you talked about The Game Changers or Forks Over Knives?
Tig Notaro:
We haven't yet. We're going to eventually do that. Cheryl's a vegetarian. I'm hoping she'll make the plant-based switch. But yeah, we haven't talked about any of those documentaries yet. But all in good time.
Rip Esselstyn:
Right. Do you like doing the podcast? And you also... What?
Tig Notaro:
I love doing my podcast. Yeah, the other one is called Don't Ask Tig, and I have a new guest on every week and we give people advice to call in. It's really fun. Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
Now, I listened to part of the episode you had with Sonny.
Tig Notaro:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sonny, is great.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. Where you talked about... Well, a couple things that kind of I was like, "Wow, that's wild! Where Whoopi Goldberg gave you her shoes.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. After I walked offstage at the view, I was talking to Whoopi and told her that I just used to watch her one person shows as a kid and just what a fan I was growing up and she said, "Oh, wow, I'm a fan of yours too Tig." And she bends down and takes her shoes off and hands them to me. And it was the weirdest, funniest moment. And they were these weird Christmas high heeled shoes that have Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer on the front of them. And so every Christmas, they're on our mantel.
Rip Esselstyn:
Do you ever try them on? Do they fit you?
Tig Notaro:
I haven't tried them on, but I think my wife and my sister in law, a bunch of people ran around the house in Whoopi Goldberg's shoes as soon as I brought them home. So, it was a big day at the house.
Rip Esselstyn:
Absolutely. And then everything from that one episode, was you said that you had Ann Richards autograph.
Tig Notaro:
Uh-huh (affirmative).
Rip Esselstyn:
Which is why... Well, I've met Ann several times back in the 90s, and my daughter goes to the Ann Richards School for Women.
Tig Notaro:
Oh, really?
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah. So, we think a lot of Ann Richards. She was such a trailblazer, and so my-
Tig Notaro:
Oh, my gosh! So incredible. I think about how lucky I was to have lived in Texas and Austin. I lived in Austin when she was the governor. And it was just such a proud moment to be there then. I had so many great times and years in Texas, but having Ann Richards as the governor when you're living there is especially magical.
Rip Esselstyn:
What years were you in Austin?
Tig Notaro:
Let's see. When was I there? I was 22, 23. So, 94, 93. Something like that. Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
Good time to be in Austin.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah. Were you there then?
Rip Esselstyn:
Oh, yeah. I've been here... I came here in 82 and-
Tig Notaro:
Oh, wow! Okay.
Rip Esselstyn:
... never left.
Tig Notaro:
Oh, nice.
Rip Esselstyn:
So, I've seen a lot of change.
Tig Notaro:
We go there for Thanksgiving.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
Great. Well, please, if you come this Thanksgiving, I'd love to treat you to a meal.
Tig Notaro:
I'll take you up on it for sure.
Rip Esselstyn:
That will be awesome. So, I know we're running up on time here. Let me just ask you a couple more questions.
Tig Notaro:
Okay.
Rip Esselstyn:
So, as a comedian, you're probably always looking for material and your radar is probably always up. The one thing from... It was at one of your stand ups that was on HBO I think, where you... I know that Stephanie used to kind of provide you with some material.
Tig Notaro:
Oh, yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
Talk about when she said, "How do you have sex with a baby?" Right?
Tig Notaro:
Yeah. Right.
Rip Esselstyn:
Hilarious. But now that you have kids, because I have kids, and I'm like, "Oh my God, if I was a stand up comedian, this is gold." They just provide you with endless material.
Tig Notaro:
Well, yeah. I always tell people that I live in a house full of writers. Between Stephanie and Max and Finn, and now my father in law lives with us. So, there's a full house aside from finding my own material, it's really, really coming from the writers in my house that just hand me this material left and right. And while I'm out of town, Stephanie calls and just tells me... Just non-stop thing. You know how it is with kids. Just non-stop things that kids say.
Rip Esselstyn:
Is Fluff still alive?
Tig Notaro:
Oh, yeah. Fluff is life is still alive. And in the pandemic, we decided it would be a good idea to adopt two more cats.
Rip Esselstyn:
Wow!
Tig Notaro:
So, we have three cats and Fluff I think was not thrilled at first, but she's reluctantly joining the street gang in our house. We call our place kitty city now.
Rip Esselstyn:
Gotcha. What about Pam. Pam, the one with the whole Taylor Dayne thing. Is Pam plant-based? Have you helped her out at all?
Tig Notaro:
Pam is so far from being plant-based. She's probably one of the furthest friends that I have from being plant-based. I'm still friends with Pam, I haven't seen her in a while, probably a couple of years. But she happened to be always with me when Taylor Dayne appeared.
Rip Esselstyn:
Would you say that most of your friends and family are supportive of this change?
Tig Notaro:
Absolutely. I remember my stepfather who's very... He's an attorney, and he was in the military and he's just a particular way with everything. And when I started talking to him about the power of the food, of plant-based food, he heard and he was open to it, and he was glad to see that I was having success and then he went home after he visited us and then he called me or came back in town the next time and he said that he had done a lot of reading and researching, and he has to say that he 100% believes in that diet. Not that he sticks by it, or eats at 100%, but I have a frozen food service mailed to him every month. And so he eats, I would say, half of his meals are plant-based now because of that.
Rip Esselstyn:
Great. Tig, this has been a fantastic hour. I really, really, really, really appreciate it. And I didn't even ask you how got your name because I wanted to tell you how I got my name, but that'll have to wait for another time.
Tig Notaro:
My brother made it up.
Rip Esselstyn:
Okay. Okay.
Tig Notaro:
There you go.
Rip Esselstyn:
So can I get you to say if you're comfortable with it? I'm Tig and I'm plant-strong.
Tig Notaro:
I'm Tig and I'm plant-strong.
Rip Esselstyn:
Yeah, yes.
Tig Notaro:
Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn:
Peace engine in two, keep it plant-strong Tig.
Tig Notaro:
Thank you so much for having me on.
Rip Esselstyn:
Thank you, Tig for making the time for the Plant-Strong Podcast in between filming for the upcoming season of Star Trek. She has so many projects going on, including the new films, Army of The Dead, and Together Together. You can listen to her two weekly podcasts, Don't Ask Tig, and True Story with Tig and Cheryl, where they give their hilarious spin on documentaries. In fact, I really need to have her back on to ask her thoughts on Forks Over Knives, or the Game Changers, or Cowspiracy, or Seaspiracy. That would be a lot of fun. And hopefully, you'll be able to catch her on the road again very soon doing her stand up which she absolutely loves and adores. We dig Tig because once again, she isn't afraid to stand on various platforms, and be brave enough to talk about how plant-based eating has changed her family's life for the better. So, thank you, Tig, and thank you listener for listening. We'll see you all next week.
Rip Esselstyn:
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