#24: Jon and Tracey Stewart-Plants over Politics
Featuring: Jon and Tracey Stewart
Tracey and Jon Stewart with Rip Esselstyn at The Game Changers Screening
Last fall, Tracey Stewart attended a five-day Plant-Strong Retreat in Asheville, North Carolina. Even as a compassionate animal advocate, and author of Do Unto Animals, Tracey, like many of us, still felt frustrated and stagnant in her plant-strong journey. The invigorating retreat, however, ignited a passion and turned on her science-based megaphone with which she could reclaim her health and provide resources for many.
“The solution was simple,” she wrote in a blog post after the Immersion. “I just needed to add more vegetables and take away the processed foods and additives in my diet! My saving-animals-kit just gained a whole bunch of new tools!”
Her husband, Jon Stewart, in case you haven’t turned on the TV in many years, is the longtime host, writer, and Executive Producer for “The Daily Show,” which won 22 Primetime Emmys during his tenure. He has also recently become a vocal champion for 9/11 first responders and their struggles for protection and health care.
Together as a plant-strong couple, Jon and Tracey have launched a new chapter in their purposeful lives. Together, they run the Hockhockson Farm Foundation, an animal sanctuary in New Jersey dedicated to promoting healthy, sustainable, and kind living.
In part one of this packed two-episode conversation, Jon and Tracey humorously share stories of their plant-based journey, but also recount how they met and became a couple over two decades ago! Jon even shares the ingredients of his very own daily Rip’s Big Bowl - it will have you laughing out loud and reaching for your nooch in no time.
These two are using their unique positions to raise awareness about the benefits of eating plants and about the sanctity of protecting animals—to me, that's the true definition of a hero, especially when it’s wrapped up with a daily dose of humor.
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Do Unto Animals - by Tracey Stewart
Jon Stewart with Rip Esselstyn at a recent screening of “The Game Changers.”
Jon Stewart is an American comedian, writer, producer, director, political commentator, actor, and television host. He hosted The Daily Show, a satirical news program on Comedy Central, from 1999 to 2015. Under his tenure, The Daily Show won 22 Primetime Emmy Awards. Since leaving The Daily Show, Stewart has advocated on behalf of 9/11 first responders and also runs the Hockhockson Farm Foundation with his wife, Tracey.
Tracey Stewart is the author of the book, Do Unto Animals and, together with husband Jon, is the founder and president of the Hockhokson Farm Foundation.
Audio Transcript - Season 2 - Episode 2 with Jon and Tracey Stewart (Pt. 1)
Release Date: January 9th, 2020
Rip Esselstyn
Today's guests need no introduction, but in case for some reason, you've never turned on a television set. Jon Stewart is the iconic host, writer and executive producer of The Daily Show, which, during his tenure at the helm, won over 22 Primetime Emmy Awards. Jon is also a huge advocate for 911 emergency responders. Jon and Tracey are emerging heroes in the movement by using their big, passionate, wonderful voices to draw attention to the benefits of the whole food plant-based lifestyle. Enjoy.
Thank you for being on the Plant-Strong podcast.
Tracey Stewart
It's an honor.
Rip Esselstyn
Yeah, this is Season Two and the theme is, "The Heart of the Hero" and you guys, I can't think of two people that have bigger hearts and are doing heroic things...
Jon Stewart
bigger, actually healthier hearts.
Is that a good segueway?
Rip Esselstyn
Oh, it's it's it's a great segueway
Jon Stewart
interesting you bring up heart health though.
Rip Esselstyn
But let me let me let's backtrack for a sec. So I first met you, Tracey.
Tracey Stewart
Yes.
Rip Esselstyn
You came to an Engine 2 immersion?
Tracey Stewart
I did...
Rip Esselstyn
...in I think it was June right in North Carolina, Asheville, North Carolina.
Why did you decide to go to that event?
Tracey Stewart
I think what was happening was I had been vegan for a really long time and I was going and getting my blood work done and the numbers are coming back - not great. Not terrible. But I kept, you know, he kept saying I don't understand this, you know, I'm eating a healthy diet and, then on top of that, I was gaining a lot of weight. And so I just couldn't put it together. I was asking lots of people, and I knew about your father's work and somehow I saw the advertisement for the immersion and thought, like, maybe they have the answers. And, you know, boy, did you. So, you know, then I went and I realized, like, while I was eating a vegan diet, though, I was still eating a lot of oil, a lot of processed foods, a lot of sugar, a lot of chips. So it was really recognizing those things that I still hadn't been doing that weren't great for my health.
Rip Esselstyn
Yeah. Now so she says, Honey, I'm gonna go to this week long you know retreat in the mountains of Asheville, North Carolina. Are you like, is this this sounds like a weird cult. I mean, did you have any opinions about her going,
Jon Stewart
Listen, I've always for the most part. And we've talked about this before, like when she got involved in animal rescue and new things like that, you know, I've always been living in a church, I'm not really a member of, you know, it was always that kind of thing or they got promoted, and I would. And so I moved along much more slowly. When she first met me, I was probably more corned beef than man. Like I was, I've never been particularly healthy.
So the influences, for instance, that I imparted to Tracey were like smoking. Like when we first met, I got her to smoke. And so I've always been the not person you're supposed to listen to. Yeah, she's always been at the vanguard sort of a head of more positive change. And then I always grumble about it. And then I'll go like, all right, honey. I'll do it for a little bit. And then I'll do it and go like, yeah, sure I feel better and look better and have more energy, but remember when we used to smoke?
You know, so I'll throw that out there. So, when she came back, she started to do it started to do your program. Yeah. And the thing that I was thinking maybe your program is, I had your big bowl - Rip's Big Bowl. Every morning I come down for breakfast and I'm, "Gimme Rip's Big Bowl.' And yet I eat it out of a very normal size.
Rip Esselstyn
(laughter) The irony
That's sort of how it started.
Tracey Stewart
Yeah. And you know, and the night before I was leaving Asheville, and I called Jon, and I was crying. And I said, you know, this has been such a positive thing that's happened to me. I'm really afraid. I'm not going to stick with it. I know this is the answer. I just hope I can do it. And so, you know, he then later called me back and said, you know, listen, you have to remember that you found out you had celiac disease and you never had gluten again. You know, you found out what happens in the meat and dairy industry and you never ate animals or dairy again. So I think you're going to be able to do this. And then when I came home, I felt like, you know, he's always someone that just doesn't take anything on face value. So he had a lot of questions. And the beauty of the immersion was there wasn't a question that he had, that I didn't have an answer for. And so I think you very quickly realized like, Oh, this makes perfect sense.
Rip Esselstyn
Can you think of a question that you had for her that you wanted, addressed or answered?
Jon Stewart
Well, she came back with a great deal of science. Yep. So as a lot of, you know, and things I'd never even heard of, in terms of, you know, here's an odd conversation to have your wife... "Honey, you really need to bathe your endothelial cells in something more positive. Because you really want to generate that nitric oxide." (laughter) Then I would say, "I missed you too." (laughter)
Rip Esselstyn
I can't believe it. Yeah. Five minutes in and we're we talking about endothelial cells and nitric oxide?
Jon Stewart
Literally, as soon as she came, I was like, "How was it?" She goes, "Well, my endothelial cells have much less friction. And they've had in quite some time." They're bathed. And yes. So no, I, I'm always interested in you know, the odd part of all this is that it's not that everyone doesn't know it like any program that ever says well how can you be healthier as it will more fruits and vegetables and things like that maybe they don't necessarily delve into the more negative aspects of what those other diets do. But it's clear that something sinister has occurred in the American diet over the last 40 or 50 years and, you know, that foods are no longer kind of recognizable as foods and that there's got to be some consequence to that. And I think we see it in the overall health and welfare of the country. But she, you know, was so impressed by the science of it and the way that had been laid out. But more importantly, I think it was the way it made her feel. It's one thing to have better numbers, like you could tell me, "Oh, your blood pressure is not 140 over 90. Now, it's now 120 over 80." And I'll be like, "Oh, I don't give a shit about that. I don't even know what that means." But, waking up without feeling like you're in a fog, or not falling asleep every day around four for a nap, you know, those are the things that show you the difference.
Tracey Stewart
I had sleep apnea when I arrived at the Immersion, I don't have that anymore. So things like that, like real quality of life changes everywhere.
I was having I kept getting fitted for mouthpieces, and nothing was working.
Jon Stewart
Let's do this every five minutes. (laughter)
Rip Esselstyn
So since you've been back, you're sleeping much better. Yeah. And all that. Yes. Right. So you were you were already vegan. And now you're, how would you classify yourself? Now if somebody was to say, Tracy,you know, how do you eat?
Tracey Stewart
I mean, I do love plant-strong and when I love to say that, because then when people have already heard about that term, it's nice to be able to talk about specifically what that is. But I would say we probably say that we eat a whole food plant based diet.
Rip Esselstyn
Right? And then you, you vegetarian. Yeah, going back. So what caused you to be vegetarian Going back and why?
Jon Stewart
A lot of it was... I don't know, when I eat, I don't like to have people stare at me disapproving like, so when I would be eating at home, and I would look up and I would see her staring at me disapprovingly.
Rip Esselstyn
And this is when you were more corned beef than man.
Jon Stewart
That's right.
Rip Esselstyn
Okay.
Jon Stewart
And then she would say things like, "How's your cow tears?" It's pretty good. "How's that cow pus treating you?" Man pretty good. You know, it's not the best cow pus I've ever had, but it's a little tastier than yesterday. A little better. Yeah.
No, you know, she's like the nicest person and most compassionate so, following her along that it may not necessarily be the thing that I would have realized on my own. But, You know, and she doesn't do it. What I like about how she approaches things is she sort of approaches it with the love of animals and science, but also of people, you know, sometimes I think within those moments they can be difficult. And people can be well-intentioned, but there can be a certain lack of compassion, but also a dogmatic that the entire thing is a litmus test for purity. That there's a rigidity to it that for me, as someone who's generally contrarian, annoying, that rigidity I would prefer to fight against it, even if I think it's the right thing, just because it's rigidity. But she always approaches it with a sense of increments like I think this is better. I've looked into this. This is better for me morally, health-wise you know, I think it does positive things generally in society. I think it lines up better with my values and who I am, but also these other things, you know, maybe we try to do something a little bit better with that and that I find that I adapt to that more quickly than let's say what I would call my mother's approach where it's more dogmatic.
Rip Esselstyn
But I said, you know, like, so you went vegetarian - do you know when that was and how long it's been?
Jon Stewart
It was after I left the show, probably because it was right around when I was leaving the show. We had like a big wrap party afterward.
Rip Esselstyn
And we say, "the show," what show are we talking about?
Jon Stewart
It was Jack's big music show that puppet show. Yeah. (laughter)
Jon Stewart
Yeah, it was a comedy central Yeah. So at the end of it we did a wrap party and so as like a nice thing for the party, it was catered in small measure by like, every restaurant that like was my favorite so it was like Second Avenue Deli, Shake Shack. It was all the places that I ate all the time at and what they've done is they've made like plates of like the mini ones. So it was like mini cheeseburgers, mini corned-beef sandwiches, many brisket, I mean, all this stuff, but I made the switch, like two weeks before. So luckily there was one place that I ate at that had almond butter and poach pear sandwiches. Yeah, so I spent my wrap party eating poached pear sandwiches while the smell of brisket wafted out...I think that was probably when I first started right? That's when I first realized that, "Oh, pigs had a personality."
Rip Esselstyn
So was that before or after you guys started the animal sanctuary?
Jon Stewart
She'd been working on this - we had not started ours yet. Oh - I know we had buffalo at that time. Oh, we did. Alright, so we had started. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So that's when it, that's when it started. Like once you're out in the backyard, you're like, Okay,
Tracey Stewart
We would have instances where some of the animals were more compromised and needed medicine through the night when we first started. And so we would then end up, you know, sneaking them into our house so that we could, you know, take care of them better 24 hours. And so, then I think you really spent quality time with some of the guys and recognize more than he had. Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn
So when did you start this kind of journey with rescuing animals and...
Tracey Stewart
Well, you know, I had written a book called, "Do Unto Animals," and so, in the research of the book I had first started, you know, the first chapter is about how we can do better for companion animals. The second chapter is how you can do better with your animals in your backyard. And the last is farm animals. So as I was doing the research for that chapter, I was starting to learn a lot more that I didn't even realize. And so then it immediately changed the way I was eating. I mean, I had been vegetarian for a long time. But I went vegan overnight. I would say, that was eight years ago. That sound right? Yeah. So, you know, it's funny, because I was thinking about, like, timing of things. And it does really feel like it's like for this. As far as like, our health goes, I really feel like it's a 'Before the Immersion" and "After the Immersion," you know, as far as what a difference in our lives we've felt from a change in the way that we're eating, so that feels newer.
Rip Esselstyn
So where we're sitting right now, this is called Hockhockson, is that correct?
Tracey Stewart
Hockhockson Farm.
Rip Esselstyn
What was that name?
Jon Stewart
It's meant to be hard to say (laughter).
Tracey Stewart
It's great for branding
Rip Esselstyn
I heard the term yesterday muckity-mucks. Yes, believe it or not, I didn't know what that meant. Yeah,
the muckity-mucks actually live out on an island (laughter, inaudible dialogue)
awesome. But Hockhockson made me think of muckity-mucks.
Tracey Stewart
Well, this farm has been around for hundreds of years. And so that was the original name so we kept the original name.
Jon Stewart
She kept wanting to change it to like kindness farm. I was like, No, we're gonna stay with something incredibly esoteric and difficult to say.
Yeah, it's gonna make the T-shirts unwearable. (laughter)
Rip Esselstyn
Can you tell me what kind of animals we have on this farm? Hopefully you'll give me a tour.
Tracey Stewart
Right now we have four horses. We have four pigs. We have two large pigs, industrial pigs and two pot bellies. We have five sheep
Rip Esselstyn
What does that mean? Industrial pig?
Jon Stewart
That kind that are in production. So there are there are pigs that are in meat production. Okay, those would be considered industrial.
Those are the ones that are a couple hundred pounds. Yes, like 500 - 600. Yeah, there we go. Yeah. And they live long, but they don't live long when they're in production. But if you say so they'll end up 700 800 pounds we say live long and we talking like I don't know, the lifespan of a pig - seven-eight years I think.
Tracey Stewart
no longer than that. Like the similar to a dog. Okay.
Rip Esselstyn
So 8-15 years maybe,
Tracey Stewart
Right. But it's been interesting because a lot of our animals because they are living longer than veterinarians are able to see normally. We've had a lot of interesting conversations with veterinarians and they're very interested in helping us treat the animals because they're learning too because they don't usually have the opportunity to see the animal past them being, you know, young,
Jon Stewart
like we had a goat that has a condition called Tetralogy of fellow, which is this heart condition that's congenital, that causes backwash of the, one of the atria, I guess gets a backwash and and they've never, you know, you don't see it, you know, production animal. So, when they figured it out, it's this crazy thing. So now they're talking about maybe having the veterinarian from UPenn work with one of the heart surgeons. See if they can come together. It's to them. It's, you know, interesting. Yeah.
Tracey Stewart
And for us, you know, it's this goat named Grover, who is just the sweetest goat I've ever met in my life. He's just a wonderful little guy. So we're going to do whatever we can to make make his life fantastic. He's living a great life right now.
Rip Esselstyn
Who names them?
Tracey Stewart
Usually my daughter. Grover, I named Grover on the way home We picked them up.
Rip Esselstyn
Yeah. Or is it fair to say that all the animals on the farm are vegans?
Tracey Stewart
Absolutely they are. They are. Wait til you see what our pigs eat. You will love it. Yeah.
Jon Stewart
Yeah, you have to be really careful, especially with the industrial pigs because they're bred to get all these animals, for the most part are bred to gain weight, you have to be really careful, especially with the chickens and, and the larger pigs. Because given her left to their own devices, they're bred to gain weight incredibly quickly. So you have to be very careful with their diets to keep them from really having tremendous health problems after a certain point.
Tracey Stewart
So our pigs eat a kibble that's made at Ross mill piggy sanctuary, so it's a special kibble for them and then they get what we call "toppers" on top of their food which is tofu peas, beans, vegetables, So people will come in and see all the food
Jon Stewart
we've read the menu, we're nuts.
Should we have mentioned that off the top? I don't know if you have chyrons on your podcast. Well, these people are betting man. They give their pigs toppers.
Tracey Stewart
Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn
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I'd love to know how, how you guys met.
Tracey Stewart
That's a great story. You want me to tell it?
Jon Stewart
sure. It's long.
It has to do with prison (laughter).
Tracey Stewart
How many years ago it was. Okay, so 25 years ago, I had moved back to New York from California. I had gotten out of a bad relationship. And so my friends were all trying to set me up with people. And so I was going on dates and and not having a great time. And then there was a day where a friend of ours was getting rid of a black and white TV. We didn't have a TV, my roommate and I, so she gave us the TV and we turned it on. And when we turned it on, Jon was on the David Letterman show. And I immediately said, "You know, Oh my God, Who is that?" You know, was immediately killer. He was killing it. He was handsome. He was funny. So a few days went by, and then I realized he had a show, which at the time was the Jon Stewart show on UPN. And so I would sit like I'd be watching it every night. And so then my friends would start to joke and say, "Aw...Tracey's not coming out tonight. She's staying home with her TV boyfriend, Jon Stewart. Now, meanwhile, I don't know him. Yeah.
Jon Stewart
She didn't realize is inside the TV, I could see her.
Tracey Stewart
But we actually did live about eight blocks away from one another. Not that I knew that ahead of time or anything like I was stalking him. Yes. But so I was working at J Crew in the design department. And we were right next to the PR department. And so everybody knew that I had a crush on him because they would be saying like, well, what kind of guy do you like? And I would say like someone like him. That's my type.
Rip Esselstyn
And what is somebody like him?
Tracey Stewart
Someone that just seems very kind very thoughtful. Very curious.
Funny. Yeah.
And I like I like the blue eyes and I like them close set. And I like a big nose. Jews. (laughter) So So anyway, everyone knew that I had, you know, a TV crush on him. Yeah. So one day my roommate was working on a film set and Jon came by to visit a friend and they were all sitting around smoking and talking about how it was really hard to date in New York City. And my roommate said, "Well, I know someone who thinks you're really handsome. And she's this this and this. You know, you should go out on a date with her." So she wrote my phone number on $1 bill and gave it to him. Now, I'm home, and she comes home and she says so you know, Jon Stewart's going to be calling you I gave him your phone number on $1 Bill and I think she's teasing me because it's made such a big deal that I have a crush on him. So I don't believe it for a little while. Then he calls and he leaves a message and I still don't believe it because his voice was very raspy. And I didn't realize it was that raspy. Yes. So he called me and we had a great conversation. And I said, "No, I actually think he's a nice guy."
Jon Stewart
I think she was normal, a normal person because her friend had sold her high. Right? Like it was one of those things where your friends like she is the most vivacious and sweet, really smart, really funny, and I was like, I don't believe you. You know, I really thought it was one of those things where, you know, you can't believe you know how good this is, but so it we talked (inaudible).
Tracey Stewart
Alright, so then he says, so I have a lot to do this week. I'll call you on Friday. And we'll meet up. So Friday comes no phone call Saturday, no phone call Sunday, nothing. And I'm saying, cuz, you know, because some of my friends were saying, Oh, you know, he's, you know, watch yourself. You know, he's a famous guy and you're going to get hurt. So by Sunday, I was saying, Yeah, you know what I mean? I think he fooled me. So it's about 11 o'clock and the phone rings. And here he had spent the dollar bill on a pack of cigarettes. And, yes, lost the number, and had to go through the whole call sheet of the film to figure out who the girl was that he was talking to the gave my number.
Jon Stewart
She said that was her that Tracy was her roommate. So once I lost - once I gave away the dollar bill for delicious cigarettes, then I had to figure out again. I had to go back and, and it took me a couple of days because then I had to get the call sheet from the film, it was an indie. So I had to call my friend and he had come in, and I had to get that call sheet. Then I had to go through and try and figure out like, okay, who was this person? Because their number was on the call sheet for productions, the production call sheet, and I knew they were roommates. So it finally when I got it, I got a call. So then we went out the next day.
Rip Esselstyn
Well, so when that phone rang, we just like, "hey, wait.” They didn't have caller ID so you probably didn't know who it was.
Tracey Stewart
Well, we went so we went on a date. Yeah. And we went to a Mexican restaurant and at that point, now it's all settling in that I kind of feel ridiculous, and probably I'm worried that he thinks like, I'm just being silly. I had a crush on him because he was on TV and I'm feeling uncomfortable, so I don't eat the entire date. So he eats both of our burritos and then he thinks oh she doesn't like me. She's not talkative. So
Jon Stewart
Not only did she not eat, she didn't talk.
Tracey Stewart
So I said, when I'm nervous, I tend not to talk. So just keep talking. And I will eventually relax and start to talk. You actually said that. Yeah. And so
Jon Stewart
By the way, it wasn't until after we eat, I'm like, All right. Well, this was delicious, but it didn't go very well. I had two burritos and basically just talked the whole time. And then I thought, just last ditch effort like that, cuz I liked her, I mean, yeah. Next time we talked on the phone I said, well let's just, let's just go get a drink. And boy, what? Get a couple of pops in her. (laughter)
Yeah, so then the dime turned and then I was like, Okay, yeah, yeah. Now, okay. So then I just figured, like, well, this will be great. I'll just have to keep her inebriated.
It's been 25 years. And she is hammered...still (laughter)
Rip Esselstyn
Thank goodness you're eating well, now.
Tracey Stewart
I want to tell one last part of the story, though, is that we stayed out to like three in the morning and then I arrived at work the next day. He called me like 10 in the morning and said, Would you like to have lunch today? So we went out to lunch, and then we came back and we were standing out in front of the building, and he had picked me up and was swinging me around in a circle. And the girls from PR who never knew any of this happened, just were walking into the building, like, what is happening.
So I mean, it was Yeah, it was such a fun time. Yeah.
Rip Esselstyn
When Tracey Stewart came to our retreat in Black Mountain, North Carolina, we had literally no clue who she was until a few hours before she left on the very last day. It's the same for anyone who comes to our retreats. We drop all professional titles and resumes at the door and we all enter as equals, who come together for one common goal- to do better, and to be better. I invite you to visit our website, plantstrong.com, click on events, and download our new 2020 events catalog. And check out all the experiences that we're hosting this year. Spend five or six days with us in one of three spectacular venues nestled in nature. Come to Black Mountain, just outside Asheville, North Carolina, and experience the lush forests and the mountain streams. Or come to magical Sedona, Arizona, and experience the transformative red rocks, or come to Silver Bay in the Adirondack region of New York and experience the pristine Lake George. As Tracey shared, you'll have a front-row seat and science behind the lifestyle. And you'll build the daily habits alongside our team of experts so you can go home and be totally set up for success. Visit plantstrong.com for more details and use the code "plantstrong" for $150 off any five or six-day retreat.
Aren't Jon and Tracey just the absolute best? Now after that charming story, we're going to stop there for today and take a little break. Next week, we'll talk more specifically about how Jon and Tracey are fueling their lifestyle, how their numbers have improved since Tracey came back from the Immersion and a whole lot more. If you'd like to watch the interview, we filmed it entirely. Please go to plantstrongpodcast.com for the link.
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